Altert! Do NOT tweak Gunslingers brand with 1.0

Hello everyone, greets and compiments to the Wolcen-Team

I just joined this game and played 90 hours in 6 days I think. In general I am a very experienced gamer (over 30 years of gaming) and my preferrable games vary a from shooters to RTS- and fighting games. I do always pick my games keenfully and stick with them for years and master them. Now that I saw your game and its just fantastic - I decided "OK, I am gonna DIVE into this game" and intend to stream it a LOT.

The thing is, ofc I cannot compare myself with casual gamers, but I think with the change for "Gunslingers Brand" you are going to wipe the potential of a higher "skill ceiling" in this game. So what I do, I use this skill to oneshot or trippleshot oppoents / bosses with it, which is sooo muuuch fun (when I also predict the piercing goes through targets so you aim different directions: against crowds).

What is the problem?

  • the problem is with Wolcen 1.0 is: "Gunslinger’s Brand now selects targets automatically as you swipe your mouse cursor over them."
  • so you are going to make it easier to apply to different targets and take away the chance of clicking in your targets manually; or multi-click a single target which is the biggest problem with 1.0 then.
  • the real problem is: I cannot target a single target anymore with just clicking a boss for stage-boss for instance. or picking two targets with two shots each to make use of the skill bonus (stacking, higher damage)
  • you also take away skill, fun, a unique playstyle. - and most importantly control over my game !

The idea, or better, the mechanic behind "Gunslingers Brand" was just genius and its a fjgfjfng LOT OF FUN to play as of now (BETA)

I welcome you to watch my last 4,5 hours stream on twitch and have a look yourself. I just got to champion with playing like a beast and I rarely had soo muuch fun in the last 10 years.

Here is the full 4,5 hours stream
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/550391080

You can just click along the stream and see the play I am talking of. You can see how I use gunslingers brand and how I use it differently against different kind of targets. OFC it's micro-heavy, so I guess its not for everyone - but its just GREAT if you like to play like this. I will have nightmares if this option is GONE for eveerrrrr

What to I suggest?

  • watch the recorded stream and have a look at it (how do I hyperlink? =) )
  • dont tweak this skill and make it appealable to everyone (or make it optional)
  • You want to simplify the skill I guess, and not because its overpowered in a way.
  • If you think the skill is overpowered in a way (when you use to snipe single targets with the bonus), then please introduce a skill option so I can choose targets with clicking in (as it is now)
    - TL/DR: Dont make it too casual (easy), or give it back (optional).

Gunslingers Brand:
Here everything comes together for me: skill, it feels like a shooter, RTS and an assassination game to me when I play this build. I beg you, dont take it away, at least make it so, that I can enter my targets for each shot manually. Maybe as per skill within the ability skill tree (AST) of gunslingers brand.


I know Wolcen 1.0 is around the door and OFC you have other business than this "problem" here. But, as you have time again and want to improve the game, I hope you gonna consider my points. Also, sometimes it's better to revert some things as they were better, or at least - and thats the beauty with this kind of game - you can just
"add it back to the game" without breaking it. in an RTS game this would not be possible.

I do hope I outlined the issue enough and you can see the points that I have made. Thank you for this game and thank you for listening / reading all through. Please just click through the stream to get an idea of the playstyle I was talking of and build your own thoughts !

Replies: 4

Created: 4 years, 2 months ago

Category: Feedback & Suggestions

Okay, in order to showcase better, I made a highlight video of my twitch-stream and its a bit shorter than the other one.

with the Wolcen 1.0 executing stage-bosses like I do here would not be possible anymore. You would have to hover away and back to the target to make 2 shots on the same target. Thats making it very complicated and takes away control and enjoyment

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/550734015

here you can watch it

(Edited 4 years, 2 months ago)

Created: 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey,

we can't tell yet if the skill won't be usable on single target anymore.
My guess is that they just made it easier to play but still effective.

Maybe you will still be able to focus fire on a single target just by hovering over it.
Maybe what they changed is just the "targeting" part of the skill, not the "firing" part. You might still need to click on mobs.

What you think they did, would make the skill pretty pointless. Or maybe is that a nerf because if was doing too much damage for single target ?
I guess we will have to wait few more hours :)

(Edited 4 years, 2 months ago)

Created: 4 years, 2 months ago

I have only played after the 1.0 patch.
I love this skill, it's amazing, feels satisfying and all around cool.

I feel this skill would be super overpowered if the game would let me target the same enemy for multiple shots.
I feel the lock on by mousing over (not having to click) is a good thing, because I honestly dont want to have to click each individual enemy.
I don't understand how taking away the possibility to shotgun enemies easily with this takes away the skill ceiling.
They haven't even completely taken away the possibility to shotgun as long as there are multiple enemies/adds. (Lure small adds to one side of the big enemy, quickly go to the other side and fire at all of them (and you can target all of them in an instant thanks to the new mouseover mechanic) and all the shots will still shotgun the big enemy because he is in front.)

Edit: An upgrade rune that allows 2 shots to lock on per target would be an interesting idea.

(Edited 4 years, 2 months ago)

Created: 4 years, 2 months ago

Maybe this thread is too old or something, but you totally can absolutely single target with gunslingers brand. It is freaking amazing. One of the best feeling skills in an ARPG I have found. You hold down your gunslingers brand and then just spam left click in the target you want to shoot and watch its HP melt away.

Created: 4 years, 2 months ago

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