Wolcen is beautiful game but foolish part 02

Original conversation
https://wolcengame.com/forum/gameplay/builds-guides/wolcen-is-a-beautiful-but-foolish-game/#wolcen-is-a-beautiful-but-foolish-game-dMvn

Ysysel Original Comment

"I'm a big fan of POE and have been playing it since the launch. And I think despite the big amount of bugs, Wolcen is in a good state and really promising.

You talk about deepness but also say your build is shit and you're stuck on a boss. There is a lot of builds in POE that would require you to dodge and/or play fast. Like in POE, if you don't want to do that, do another build. The good thing about Wolcen is that you can easily rebuild at anytime for almost no cost.

"there is no "deepness" in settings like in poe". There is less "deepness" in Wolcen, which is understable for a game that young. You can't add 150 spells at launch, it would be a mess. You make a good base, and expand from it.

Still, there is already some deepness to Wolcen. I did three mage build, with very different gameplays. But for that you need to take the time and try to understand the mechanics of the game. Unlike POE, Wolcen is new, so you can't just follow a guide on the internet and say "omg it's so deep look at my complex op build".

Willpower regen and transfer, ailments, crits, resistances. You need to understand them if you want to make a viable build. Like you would do in POE.

Note: i'm currently at parangon 140+"
Ysysel original comment


My comment and reply to Ysysel

It doesn't matter if wolcen will be the great in the far future - the most important is: - for now, it's beautiful but foolish game

you said: - "You talk about deepness but also say your build is shit and you're stuck on a boss"

I am not stuck at the boss i just canceled playing wolcen
All game developers should stand on the shoulders of giants (POE)
Initially, - i wanna see great potential in any game to continue to play
I see that Wolcen doesn't stand on the shoulders of POE.
If wolcen standed on the shoulder of POE then wolcen-developer would realized modifying currency (exalted orbs), passive skill-tree-jewels and so on in the core of the game Initially
in the core of the game Initially
in the core of the game Initially
in the core of the game Initially
I see that Wolcen doesn't stand on the shoulders of POE.
All game developers should stand on the shoulders of giants (POE)
If there is no standing on the shoulders then there will not be the progress in the game - industry
It's better to wait POE 2 than progress in wolcen

If game-valuables from POE ware realized in wolcen core then - in the future with wolcen progress - we will get the valuables of the next level which are absent in POE
It is absolutely stupid to reproduce POE history in wolcen.
If modifying currency and jewels as valuables will appears in wolcen in the future it will be the failure
The POE valuables must be integrated in the wolcen core initially to get new valuables in the future
The POE valuables must be integrated in the wolcen core initially to get new valuables in the future
The POE valuables must be integrated in the wolcen core initially to get new valuables in the future

Replies: 10

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

Category: Feedback & Suggestions

I don't know how much Wolcen you played but there are currency items that can modify items exactly like in PoE. Wolcen has a currency that rerolls the item, just like chaos orb, an item that adds an affix just like exalted orb, one that removes a random affix just like annul, one that removes an affix then adds one just like beast crafting in PoE.
Item modification though currency is almost on PoE level so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't know how much Wolcen you played but there are currency items that can modify items exactly like in PoE. Wolcen has a currency that rerolls the item, just like chaos orb, an item that adds an affix just like exalted orb, one that removes a random affix just like annul, one that removes an affix then adds one just like beast crafting in PoE.
Item modification though currency is almost on PoE level so I have no idea what you're talking about.

hopp Original Comment

Thank you to your reply

Yes i didn't know about such currency ...
One way or another, when i have found out about such currency from you, i didn't get desire to resume playing wolcen.... but i feel interest to wait POE 2.

PS
Yes, i had no enough interest to play much but during playing 2 acts, the developer didn't show me these modifying currency, - why did they dissemble it?

PS2
if such a thing exists then I want to know about this from the very beginning of the game.
If the developers do not advertise the merits of the game, then people will not be able to evaluate this game.
You can blame me that I was inattentive but attentiveness depends on the interest that is caused bу developers.
Wolcen game doesn't light enough interest-fire in my soul to play this game but when i have seen POE-passive-skill-tree long time ago I immediately downloaded the game.
If wolcen studio stood on the shoulders of the giants (POE and not only) then this studio would create passive-skill-tree in a such a way that players would experience a culture shock. Of course it would light a fire of interest in any soul

PS3
Why this game does not light a fire of interest in the soul whereas POE did?

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Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

I've been playing PoE on and off since the beginning and to be honest, PoE's skill tree is a giant mess now with so much jewels that change the tree randomly. Wolcen's tree with the rings is much more straightforward and has enough depth for this state of the game.

This game is not PoE, it doesn't want to be PoE. It's aimed to be a healthy mix of D3 and PoE. In my opinion it has achieved that, it's more complex than D3 but more streamlined than PoE. Lots of players simply get intimidated by PoE's complexity and quit playing, so there's definitely a target group for Wolcen. You might not be in that group and that's okay and it's okay to wait for PoE2 and play it. Wolcen is far from perfect, it's in beta state to be honest and it shouldn't have been released yet but it has a potential to become a great game. Until then play PoE then you can always come back to check out what's changed.

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

I've been playing PoE on and off since the beginning and to be honest, PoE's skill tree is a giant mess now with so much jewels that change the tree randomly. Wolcen's tree with the rings is much more straightforward and has enough depth for this state of the game.

This game is not PoE, it doesn't want to be PoE. It's aimed to be a healthy mix of D3 and PoE. In my opinion it has achieved that, it's more complex than D3 but more streamlined than PoE. Lots of players simply get intimidated by PoE's complexity and quit playing, so there's definitely a target group for Wolcen. You might not be in that group and that's okay and it's okay to wait for PoE2 and play it. Wolcen is far from perfect, it's in beta state to be honest and it shouldn't have been released yet but it has a potential to become a great game. Until then play PoE then you can always come back to check out what's changed.

hopp Original Comment

Thank you for clever reply

You almost expressed one of my point of view about wolsen. :))))
That what i wrote about wolcen was a social experiment :))

"PoE's skill tree is a giant mess now "

Sorry but i can't agree to you.
Just think: - GGG had managed to integrate stats into passive skill net.
Intelligent, dexterity, strength are stats.
It was made very smart whereas it was very complicated work bcoz in other games stats are made in the form of a counter.
No, - i don't feel any mess looking in passive skill net in POE
Really cool passive skill net should contain:
Teleports to travel to far parts of the net and of course the amount of teleports should be restricted to 2 or 3.
As you can see in wolcen - when you rotate any wheel then you destroy links in other part of the net so transformations on passive skill net should be local. It can be tittle rotating circles inside the whole net.
Core abilities of wolcen's passive skill net is not admired by me.

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Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

I've been playing PoE on and off since the beginning and to be honest, PoE's skill tree is a giant mess now with so much jewels that change the tree randomly. Wolcen's tree with the rings is much more straightforward and has enough depth for this state of the game.

This game is not PoE, it doesn't want to be PoE. It's aimed to be a healthy mix of D3 and PoE. In my opinion it has achieved that, it's more complex than D3 but more streamlined than PoE. Lots of players simply get intimidated by PoE's complexity and quit playing, so there's definitely a target group for Wolcen. You might not be in that group and that's okay and it's okay to wait for PoE2 and play it. Wolcen is far from perfect, it's in beta state to be honest and it shouldn't have been released yet but it has a potential to become a great game. Until then play PoE then you can always come back to check out what's changed.

hopp Original Comment

"...ntimidated by PoE's complexity ..."

If the game is quite simple then this game will take a couple of months to play in aspect of your time whereas POE or even more difficult game can exists in your life as an enjoyment source during many years that means stability in aspect of positive emotions.
If it was my will then i would complicate POE 10 times more.
I deem that any game could be considered as successful only in that case where this game compete versus real life.
More we live in computer game instead of real life then this game can be considered as more interesting that those games that took less time.
POE competes with real life more than other games in aspect of interest from players
Wolcen competes with real life less than POE in aspect of interest from players
Ultimately, POE as more difficult game than wolcen will bring more pleasure to players than wolcen
All this matters only if a person can control himself
A computer game that competes with real life should not be detrimental to those important life things that still need to be done. Job work and study work should be done versus playing such game

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Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

It's almost like you guys are gonna write philosophy books about this... Here is all you need to understand:

POE is ANOTHER GAME!

You're welcome.

More seriously tho, POE is great and i enjoyed sinking hours and hours into it, but an ARPG that i can play offline and that is more simple and intuitive to make builds is also very fun and has its own reason to be! It's not like "one or another", it's not highlander, like there can be only one...

Torchlight 2, Wolcen, The adventures of Van-Helsing, Victor Vran, Grim Dawn, Vikings - Wolves of midgard, and so on and so on... There are tons of GOOD ARPGs, so stop being so narrow minded and thinking that the whole world has to chose if they play POE or Wolcen and that it's all that exists on Earth, the planet is WAY bigger than in your minds!

POE is hardcore and there are TONS of players who enjoy a more relaxed experience, like all the games i mentioned above! There is a market for good old ARPGs that are accessible offline and Wolcen is, to me, the best one of the bunch right now, at least the one i currently enjoy the most! And i did and do enjoy every single entry of the small above list as well! Just open your minds a bit!

(Edited 2 years, 6 months ago)

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

It's almost like you guys are gonna write philosophy books about this... Here is all you need to understand:

POE is ANOTHER GAME!

You're welcome.

More seriously tho, POE is great and i enjoyed sinking hours and hours into it, but an ARPG that i can play offline and that is more simple and intuitive to make builds is also very fun and has its own reason to be! It's not like "one or another", it's not highlander, like there can be only one...

Torchlight 2, Wolcen, The adventures of Van-Helsing, Victor Vran, Grim Dawn, Vikings - Wolves of midgard, and so on and so on... There are tons of GOOD ARPGs, so stop being so narrow minded and thinking that the whole world has to chose if they play POE or Wolcen and that it's all that exists on Earth, the planet is WAY bigger than in your minds!

POE is hardcore and there are TONS of players who enjoy a more relaxed experience, like all the games i mentioned above! There is a market for good old ARPGs that are accessible offline and Wolcen is, to me, the best one of the bunch right now, at least the one i currently enjoy the most! And i did and do enjoy every single entry of the small above list as well! Just open your minds a bit!

Dd Original Comment

Thank you for your philosophy

You said: - "Just open your minds a bit!"

my real little story

I played my favourite game to the end and then felt emptiness bcoz there was no any interesting game on the market
But i am addicted to games and i begin to find games that are 1 level down in aspect of my genuine interest
When this game ended as well i felt emtiness again and begin to search next game of 2 level down and so on and so on

Ultimately, thus I insensibly lowered to the level "-10"

This is the adjacency principle. "-5" is close to "-6", then "-6" is close to "-7" and thus the final result will be "-10" or even "-20"

Randomly browsing the Internet about this last game of level "-10" that means that this game was 10 levels below my genuine interest, - reading forum about this game, - I accidentally found out that this game is considered by people as a pure trash. I was shocked - what a failure I've turned into!!

You said: - "Just open your minds a bit!"

in such a way, opening my mind to other games, I dropped to trash level bcoz my first game that correctly fited to my genuine interest has ended.

I made all the necessary conclusions and desided: - if POE will ends for me in aspect of interest then i will not go 1 level down to play wolcen or torchlight 2, - it will be better to wait POE 2

(Edited 2 years, 6 months ago)

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

Thank you for your philosophy

You said: - "Just open your minds a bit!"

my real little story

I played my favourite game to the end and then felt emptiness bcoz there was no any interesting game on the market
But i am addicted to games and i begin to find games that are 1 level down in aspect of my genuine interest
When this game ended as well i felt emtiness again and begin to search next game of 2 level down and so on and so on

Ultimately, thus I insensibly lowered to the level "-10"

This is the adjacency principle. "-5" is close to "-6", then "-6" is close to "-7" and thus the final result will be "-10" or even "-20"

Randomly browsing the Internet about this last game of level "-10" that means that this game was 10 levels below my genuine interest, - reading forum about this game, - I accidentally found out that this game is considered by people as a pure trash. I was shocked - what a failure I've turned into!!

You said: - "Just open your minds a bit!"

in such a way, opening my mind to other games, I dropped to trash level bcoz my first game that correctly fited to my genuine interest has ended.

I made all the necessary conclusions and desided: - if POE will ends for me in aspect of interest then i will not go 1 level down to play wolcen or torchlight 2, - it will be better to wait POE 2

staglaitor Original Comment

Well uhhh, to each his own, have fun being bored and posting about a game you don't play and think is trash while waiting for poe2 i suppose...

Is there really NO game in the whole world worth enjoying aside from poe then? Or just NO arpg? Wow!

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

Well uhhh, to each his own, have fun being bored and posting about a game you don't play and think is trash while waiting for poe2 i suppose...

Is there really NO game in the whole world worth enjoying aside from poe then? Or just NO arpg? Wow!

Dd Original Comment

Sorry but seemingly you misunderstand me or i couldn't translate your thoughts...

"posting about a game you don't play and think is trash"

What are you talking about???
I called trash that game i wrote about, it was the game of level "-10" - be more attentive!!!!
Wolcen can't be a trash, - wolcen is a game that for some amount is lower than POE but is still good.
What does it mean - "i don't play wolcen???? "
I had bought wolcen 2 years ago and up to recent moment completed act 2 before cancel of playing wolcen - i know what wolcen is.

"Is there really NO game in the whole world worth enjoying aside from poe then?"

Everything is relative to POE bcoz POE is a genre leader.
After playing poe you lose interest to all other game bcoz POE is a game that surpassed even Diablo 2 and 3.
Poe had entered in the history of game design.
Who said you that i stopped playing POE, oppositelly i continue to play Poe even after wolcen playing canceling.

Sorry, but there is no any constructiveness in you reply = there are no any new-fresh analytical thoughts in your reply

(Edited 2 years, 6 months ago)

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

Sorry but seemingly you misunderstand me or i couldn't translate your thoughts...

"posting about a game you don't play and think is trash"

What are you talking about???
I called trash that game i wrote about, it was the game of level "-10" - be more attentive!!!!
Wolcen can't be a trash, - wolcen is a game that for some amount is lower than POE but is still good.
What does it mean - "i don't play wolcen???? "
I had bought wolcen 2 years ago and up to recent moment completed act 2 before cancel of playing wolcen - i know what wolcen is.

"Is there really NO game in the whole world worth enjoying aside from poe then?"

Everything is relative to POE bcoz POE is a genre leader.
After playing poe you lose interest to all other game bcoz POE is a game that surpassed even Diablo 2 and 3.
Poe had entered in the history of game design.
Who said you that i stopped playing POE, oppositelly i continue to play Poe even after wolcen playing canceling.

Sorry, but there is no any constructiveness in you reply = there are no any new-fresh analytical thoughts in your reply

staglaitor Original Comment

I still disagree that every arpg should be compared or based on POE, just like every fps should be call of duty, because with that logic, nothing new ever gets invented!

And in fact, i ENJOY the fact that this game is different, that it is less complex than POE while sufficiently sophisticated for me to sink hours into and having fun building! (and also that i can play offline!)
Would it be another POE, in fact, i wouldn't have touched it, since i got POE, invested a lot of time and money in it, and wouldn't wanna sink into something that big again for the moment! That's why i'm delighted about this, it's absolutely fun, not "too much / overwhelming" and that's why i say there is a market for it, since in this very case, i'm on the demand side and i can't be alone feeling like this in the universe!

One could also argue another thing about POE: not everything in it is perfect and i would understand someone who prefers Wolcen to it, mainly for 1 reason: it is quite obvious in POE that each league brings a new meta build, and it's usually pretty much "play THIS or no end game for you!", so... goodbye beloved building freedom! And also, i dislike that philosophy of nerfing and buffing stuff for each update, constantly rewriting the rules of the game somehow... not allowing you to just play what you wanna stick to but forcing you in a direction!
And maybe also the fact that it has a pretty sweet graphical engine, while POE is getting very outdated on this very point and the fact that it offers such a cool transmog option! (without having to spend 100 euros to pick a skin as in ... you know...)

This is my point; without being deeply intellectual about it to the point of sounding smug: This is a fun game, 100% worthy of a buy for any arpg fan and a good and fresh surprise, not just a clone of something that already exists, just a good new game that I add without hesitation to my library and that i recommend!

Keyword: FUN!

(Edited 2 years, 6 months ago)

Created: 2 years, 6 months ago

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