What is going on!!!!?

Hi guys, I want to understand something about this game and I can't. I am level 76, playing with mage class and I tough if I push myself winning higher expedition level I will finally get good gear to make some easy progression on this game. The strange and retarded thing is the fact that higher expedition level give me shit gear, I mean the new piece of armor or boots are at higher level but with lower stats. So, what the fuck is going on? Is this normal? How can I advance in this late game if the gear I found is ridiculous lower than my equipped gear? This approach to the game makes no sense!!

Replies: 23

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Category: Gameplay

Perfectly normal, it's Wolcen after all. One of the reasons I stopped torturing myself. I do a run or two of 82 or something like that every time I feel like logging in until shit gets fixed and balanced.

Edit: fixed typo

(Edited 4 years, 1 month ago)

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

So far i got the same impression that higher gear Levels just means there can roll higher stat values.
I also noticed that some higher level items have stats as bad as some of my lvel 21 items from campaign

So while the possible max stat is increased the min stat stays the same.....
just as a theoretical example.....

level 21 Item : random stat 1-30
Level 41 item : random stat 1-60
level 82 Item : random statt 1-100

So while on average higher level items can be better there will still be some items who are worse.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

So far i got the same impression that higher gear Levels just means there can roll higher stat values.
I also noticed that some higher level items have stats as bad as some of my lvel 21 items from campaign

So while the possible max stat is increased the min stat stays the same.....
just as a theoretical example.....

level 21 Item : random stat 1-30
Level 41 item : random stat 1-60
level 82 Item : random statt 1-100

So while on average higher level items can be better there will still be some items who are worse.

lordad8585 Original Comment

But this is a disaster...I miss the feeling from diablo 3 when you push the torment difficulty and u literally find some new cool and strong item and gives you the satisfaction to continue playing over and over again.

I hoped that for wolcen, and now I am so fucking disappointed.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Can I ask what level expedition you are pushing? Have you unlocked your endgame forge where you can re-craft a legendary to something different. Are you also using your craft items to re-roll etc. and making use of the fact you can guarantee a socket with gems that you socket before crafting. The game is not purely drop-only. It has potential via crafting and end-game forge

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

But this is a disaster...I miss the feeling from diablo 3 when you push the torment difficulty and u literally find some new cool and strong item and gives you the satisfaction to continue playing over and over again.

I hoped that for wolcen, and now I am so fucking disappointed.

moisaalingabriel92 Original Comment

What? Thats not true. Top tier items in DIablo are level 70 and thats it, you are not gonna get anything better if you run torment 1 or 276, only the drop rate changes.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Can I ask what level expedition you are pushing? Have you unlocked your endgame forge where you can re-craft a legendary to something different. Are you also using your craft items to re-roll etc. and making use of the fact you can guarantee a socket with gems that you socket before crafting. The game is not purely drop-only. It has potential via crafting and end-game forge

DiamondRage Original Comment

I am trying expedition early 100 and my gear level 76 is better than the drop is offering to me. And yes I tried the different ways of crafting, but where's the point if I get only random stats and not what I need, and the amount of resources is too high for crafting. I have a life, I can't spend 5 hours per day to enjoy this game property. For me, as a casual player the game is far away to be enjoyable.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

we still didn't hear what lvl exp he play ....

For example i recently got +945 All resistance chest piece at exp lvl 160 .... I'm pretty sure that is impossible to get +945 All Ress on lets say exp lvl 50 ....
also added dam on weapons rise drastically when you go higher ... weapons item lvl 40 or 60 are not even close in added damage to weapons lvl130 or higher .... it is true that roll on lvl130 item could be really bad , but in general you will get some good powerful items eventually .. in lower lvl you won't .. ever...

...and top tier items you can't ever wear before your character reach LVL 60 ...

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

I am trying expedition early 100 and my gear level 76 is better than the drop is offering to me. And yes I tried the different ways of crafting, but where's the point if I get only random stats and not what I need, and the amount of resources is too high for crafting. I have a life, I can't spend 5 hours per day to enjoy this game property. For me, as a casual player the game is far away to be enjoyable.

moisaalingabriel92 Original Comment

items lvl 76 what you wear and lvl100 are very close ... could be similar item group ... Im not sure on exactly what lvls stats improve through out the game

But trust me , when you get items lvl 130 or higher you will see big improvement

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Crafting with consumables is not expensive. If you look what they actually do you can tailor your crafts

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

This is not diablo, I think you got to create your gear in the dark market.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

What? Thats not true. Top tier items in DIablo are level 70 and thats it, you are not gonna get anything better if you run torment 1 or 276, only the drop rate changes.

Azazel_cz Original Comment

Incorrect, you need to clear very high GRifts to be able to get Primal Ancient gear.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

What? Thats not true. Top tier items in DIablo are level 70 and thats it, you are not gonna get anything better if you run torment 1 or 276, only the drop rate changes.

Azazel_cz Original Comment

super false!

sure the item lvl is always 70, but you certainlky get better gear.
legendaries and then at higher lvls you get a higher lvl of finding ancient legendaries, which are a lot better then normal legendaries.
Then when you push even further you get a chance at finding primal ancient legendaries, which have the best stats of them all.

Also the rift bosses always gives you quality loot, unlike wolcen. In D3 it always gives u a few legendaries, some mats and legendary mats.

Droprates of gear become increasingly better too. In wolcen you can run with 200% magic find for 15 times and never find any legendary. Which is total crap.

Another thing i like to point out that by placing your mouse on a item and pressing ctrl you can actually see the value ranges on stats, something that wolcenn doesnt have. In wolcen it can roll from 1 - to max lvl, which is pretty crazy on a an lvl187 item imo

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Incorrect, you need to clear very high GRifts to be able to get Primal Ancient gear.

solafide783 Original Comment

GR 70 is a joke , certanly " not very high " :-)

with all overpowering everything there in every patch I need about 48 hours to get guardian in season ( And that is nowhere near fastest guys there )
.... Diablo 3 is now vanilla game where everybody can get everything after 3 days of playing season from 0 ... that is not challenging in any way any more ..
after few days you one shot every single boss on T16 and kill every rift guardian lower then GR100 bellow 5 sec
... Ok drop rate for Primals is low but that is essentially same item only little bit better stat ... you can get every single unique , set and legendary item within 3 days of playing ...

other thing : he is not wrong , once you unlock that gr70 you can get most powerful primal even in normal dif .... you dont have to go GR70 again to get primal item ... low chance but you can ..

In Wolcen you NEVER can get high gear on low lvl expeditions ...

(Edited 4 years, 1 month ago)

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Item rolls in Wolcen have their own level range.
The lower tier of rolls is 40-120.
The "middle", somewhat adequate are 60-140, 70-150
The top tiers are 80-160 and 90-,100- and 110-200.
After you get your shit together you can decide what level to close to get a comfortable, but 151 exp level is required to drop off all garbage rolls possibility.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

I agree. They have to do something about item rolls. I am still running around with level 100-110 gear, while doing level 150-160 expeditions in the past week. I just loot weapons/gems/rings/belts/amulets/enneracts, to vendor everything except gems. 'Crafting' is also useless. In all this time playing, I spend over 4-5mil gold and 200k+ affinity on 'crafting' (ahem gambling) and I got two useful items out of it. Reagents also drop too little and the effects they have on items are too random. I have NEVER gotten the affixes I wanted by using reagents. They are nearly useless.

They should add a system to make crafting/gambling more rewarding. If I spent millions of gold and tons of affinity, I want to see at least a little improvement and not just throw away all my currency. E.g. spending extra currency to have a higher chance of getting an affix of your choice or just make you pay a massive amount to actually have 100% chance of getting that affix. This way you can work towards something. Now I am just running expeditions for gold and productivity.

  • Nothing exciting drops,
  • 4 and 5-star boss maps are no challenge and the rewards are lackluster
  • Running multiple expeditions with 240+% MF and ZERO reagents/legendaries/uniques drop
  • I have not seen the Unique vendor since patch 1.0.7.0.
  • Wealth Omens drop only 10-20k gold and 4-5 rare items since path 1.0.7.0.
  • Expedition progression being halted by impossible to beat one-shotting end bosses with 60-70mil hp with Tough and Health Regeneration affixes, next to their five other affixes
  • Leveling up nearly comes to a halt after level 75. A level 160 expedition gives me 2% xp into level 78
  • 'Crafting' is completely random. You cannot work towards something.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

So, in the end what is the point of playing if I will not get any good gear until 150 lvl expedition?

I mean, for now is possible to me to advance if my gear stays at the same stats. Where is the logic in this?

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

So, in the end what is the point of playing if I will not get any good gear until 150 lvl expedition?

I mean, for now is possible to me to advance if my gear stays at the same stats. Where is the logic in this?

moisaalingabriel92 Original Comment

Try gathering as much experience/reagents/currency/items as possible and hope they will make massive changes to the game.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

GR 70 is a joke , certanly " not very high " :-)

with all overpowering everything there in every patch I need about 48 hours to get guardian in season ( And that is nowhere near fastest guys there )
.... Diablo 3 is now vanilla game where everybody can get everything after 3 days of playing season from 0 ... that is not challenging in any way any more ..
after few days you one shot every single boss on T16 and kill every rift guardian lower then GR100 bellow 5 sec
... Ok drop rate for Primals is low but that is essentially same item only little bit better stat ... you can get every single unique , set and legendary item within 3 days of playing ...

other thing : he is not wrong , once you unlock that gr70 you can get most powerful primal even in normal dif .... you dont have to go GR70 again to get primal item ... low chance but you can ..

In Wolcen you NEVER can get high gear on low lvl expeditions ...

dean.bertoncelj Original Comment

sure you can get ur 1st set with 3 days, but doesnt nessarrily mean they have good stats at the point. Certain weapons are more rare then other and you can very well be plvl800 before you finally find a good one. Then you can still upgrade gems and patch them on your gear. all in all there is a lot more stuff to do and everything is better fleshed out.

say what you will but for a 10year old game it just works better then wolcen.

From a game that releases in this year i certainly expected it work better then a 10year old game, dont you??

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

sure you can get ur 1st set with 3 days, but doesnt nessarrily mean they have good stats at the point. Certain weapons are more rare then other and you can very well be plvl800 before you finally find a good one. Then you can still upgrade gems and patch them on your gear. all in all there is a lot more stuff to do and everything is better fleshed out.

say what you will but for a 10year old game it just works better then wolcen.

From a game that releases in this year i certainly expected it work better then a 10year old game, dont you??

Asgardian Original Comment

depends

At the moment everything works better then Wolcen :-)
This game is atm bug , issues and disconnection infested nightmare

But problem with D3 is different .. its waaaay too easy . When they introduced season requirements for guardian GR 70 was a borderline achievement that you need to have really good gear and invest some time into it ... today after million powerups along the way Im at GR70 within 24 hours with anything i collect along the way ... doesnt even need to be a set anymore ,with new legacy of nightmares gem , literally anything can get you over GR70.... Gr70 is a joke .. requirements for guardian are joke ... conquest are stupid , half of those are no challenge what so ever any more , and some are just idiotic ( act 1-5 in one hour for example ) ... they didn't change that since season 3 ... To make it worst some guardian portrait frames that were hard to get originally , now every idiot can achieve because they rotate them again with new seasons ...

So , ok , yes .. you can grind to get gems higher and get more primals and little better stats but my point is : why ? You can get to GR 100 with average gear that anyone can get and with every build ( at least there is diversity there , ok :-) ) ... only thing left to do is get GR with higher number ...

Long time ago in D2 ppl played for years and still never get some items . EVER ...
I remember I got ONE!! set diadem for amazon in all my years of playing ... or maybe 2 Shako caps .... I NEVER saw legit Windforce bow .... And I'm talking years ... getting to lvl99 was borderline impossible
In d3 there is NO item that you will not get within 10 days or thing you cant achieve ... Is it really matter that it is not Primal ? Is it really matter if you are paragon 1000 or 3000 in a season :-) ... I played every season in D3 and still do .... But season start Friday 17h and I'm done around monday

One more thing .... they released patch 2 days ago .... I went there and use my gozillion of materials I got and in half hour of "upgrade rare" crafting got all 3 full character sets :-D :-D ... joke

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

I agree. They have to do something about item rolls. I am still running around with level 100-110 gear, while doing level 150-160 expeditions in the past week. I just loot weapons/gems/rings/belts/amulets/enneracts, to vendor everything except gems. 'Crafting' is also useless. In all this time playing, I spend over 4-5mil gold and 200k+ affinity on 'crafting' (ahem gambling) and I got two useful items out of it. Reagents also drop too little and the effects they have on items are too random. I have NEVER gotten the affixes I wanted by using reagents. They are nearly useless.

They should add a system to make crafting/gambling more rewarding. If I spent millions of gold and tons of affinity, I want to see at least a little improvement and not just throw away all my currency. E.g. spending extra currency to have a higher chance of getting an affix of your choice or just make you pay a massive amount to actually have 100% chance of getting that affix. This way you can work towards something. Now I am just running expeditions for gold and productivity.

  • Nothing exciting drops,
  • 4 and 5-star boss maps are no challenge and the rewards are lackluster
  • Running multiple expeditions with 240+% MF and ZERO reagents/legendaries/uniques drop
  • I have not seen the Unique vendor since patch 1.0.7.0.
  • Wealth Omens drop only 10-20k gold and 4-5 rare items since path 1.0.7.0.
  • Expedition progression being halted by impossible to beat one-shotting end bosses with 60-70mil hp with Tough…
Tyriel Original Comment

now that you mention it, i havent seen the unique vendor shop either since last patch

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

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