Why this game have poor rating ?

This game should be rated 8/10 ... it is very cleaver , good design , interesting and original skill and items system , not too complicated but interesting ... overall very good looking and smart concept ....

But currently stand at 6/10

So instead being rated as "very good" it is in "average" ( buy if you are bored ) category ... why ? we all know why . And my last hour with two nice randomly chosen players in group, should perfectly summarize it ....

first we played expedition lvl 160 ... we finished 1st lvl kind of ok , second map we got justicar boss .. that was insane with constant and I mean constant endless knockbacks , his all the time invunerability BS etc . After who knows how long frustration we somehow kill the AH ... And moved to third to get Regen boss in the end ... regen boss with minions on lvl 162 is plain simple impossible ( This game is so out of balance that if you playing at your limit lvl you cant even move his HP for 1% ) ....over and out - we committed suicide to get out.. so after an hour probably , we end empty handed .
Ok we started single map next - need to kill some elites .. but one of them is outside the map , we could only watch him from the balcony how he walks in the hall bellow ( WHY ON EARTH is the area bellow in the first place , ??? there is no playing lvl there , what is purpose of that ??? ) .. we restarted -empty again ...so we started another solo map ... almost finished , we open cursed chest and game crashed ....

after that I need a vacation from this game ... and that is pretty much usual "day at the office" in this game for everybody ...

If I go cast my rating this moment I would rate it 4 and probably many ppl do just that ( understandably ) ...
and this games really deserves 8 - if ever start to work properly

Sorry for bad English .... And good luck playing , you will need it

Replies: 16

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Category: Gameplay

yeah but has tones of bugs and unbalanced bosses champions. A champion who has more hp then a boss exp and dmg lol. Or boss with hp reg and life leech or the Aurora knight boss who has heal and immunity shield and hp plus 2 more priests add that he can summon and heal him non stop keeps him at full hp............and the game need optimization frame rate drops from 130 to 24 so fast and i have RTX 2080 TI lol.They have alot to workj still on this game months till they will fix all the shit and unbalanced stuff and bugs and crashes and trade in game. I duno why they rushed to release this game...........They need like 6 more months..............

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

The game is still quite enjoyable for me to play. That said, I haven't had my bank wiped, or a character deleted yet. That would probably be pretty demoralizing to have happen, unless the devs restore that stuff for you. I know there were a lot of bugs with Diablo at release too, to say the least. This unfortunately happens. It takes time to iron out bugs and balance the game properly. Balancing tends to be a long, frustrating process. I'd say if anyone is that frustrated with the game though, just take a long break from it and check back later. There is a lot of potential in this game though, once the big bugs have been eliminated and the server issues are resolved (and hopefully it isn't just a case of waiting for players to quit).

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Well, once you start playing in multiplayer, they apply some stupid multipliers which makes it quite impossible to end especially since we have really bad desync and network coding. We tried to enjoy it with some friend but we're only getting frustration out of coop plays.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Multi has worked pretty well for a friend and me. We have had some issues here and there, for sure, but nothing too terrible. The bad stuff we've had happen: bosses/player falling off map, act bosses healing to full mid fight, the HP bug with transformation (temporarily losing like 85% of your health or more when you come out of the transform), server lag causing us to miss a whole crap load.

The only one that really annoyed us a lot is the missing, as that happened very frequently for a while after patch 1.05 or so. The act bosses healing to full was also annoying, but we've managed to have a lot of good play time in on multi in spite of those issues. It is definitely a buggy game, but it generally works well enough for us to still enjoy playing. Hopefully the devs fix those major bugs though.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

The game is still quite enjoyable for me to play. That said, I haven't had my bank wiped, or a character deleted yet. That would probably be pretty demoralizing to have happen, unless the devs restore that stuff for you. I know there were a lot of bugs with Diablo at release too, to say the least. This unfortunately happens. It takes time to iron out bugs and balance the game properly. Balancing tends to be a long, frustrating process. I'd say if anyone is that frustrated with the game though, just take a long break from it and check back later. There is a lot of potential in this game though, once the big bugs have been eliminated and the server issues are resolved (and hopefully it isn't just a case of waiting for players to quit).

CBMurdoc Original Comment

"There is a lot of potential in this game" - well , yes .. I sad that

I don't know on what stage and lvl you play but once you go deep in endgame there is so much bugs and unreal stupid things all over that is almost impossible to enjoy playing ...

Story mode is borderline ok if we ignore few major boss issues ... but real horror begin at higher expedition lvl's ...
In early stage everything you click in skill tree works and whatever you use is ok to some point .... but once you hit over 100lvl expeditions , right skill combos , balance , builds , details come to play, and then everyone encounter enormous amount of bugs and issues

that is all I'm saying ... game should be 8 , but at the moment is 6 and still not going in right direction .... sadly

I really hope 1.08 come soon and resolve many things ... otherwise , D3 and POE seasons are around the corner , this will be very lonely place to play

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

Well, you don´t pay for the "potential" of a game, else you could spend infinite $ for a game, since its potential is infinite.
The game has a price and is not worth it. Its in a pre alpha state with literally everything bugging around.
There is no excuse for low ratings. The launch was bad, happens, but having 90% of the game not working AND STILL RELEASING IT is just plain fucking stupid.


You can´t simply ignore parts of the game and say "well other parts are good". The game consists of everything there is, and everything doesn´t work properly or is poorly thought about.
in PoE for example you can play WHATEVER skill you want, at some point it will deal dmg. But here? There are no Ele dmg rolls on gear, spells are weak af. Summons are bullshit. Dual wield gives u less dmg than 1hand + shield/catalyst (Wat?).
You can´t just "ignore" these issues. Those are mandatory parts of the game.
I even think that 6/10 is WAY too high for this game. for all its bugs 2-3/10 is more than what they deserved.
And don´t get me started with the desyncs and 1k ping gamefeeling with 30 ms ping. This game is simply not meant to be released yet.

I don´t say that the game wouldn´t be good IF it gets patched and the bugs fixed, but we are currently nearly in the 3rd week and the game still doesn´t work. No communication with the community, the devs seems simply to not care about anything. Took the money and "bye bye, have a great time"

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Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

"There is a lot of potential in this game" - well , yes .. I sad that

I don't know on what stage and lvl you play but once you go deep in endgame there is so much bugs and unreal stupid things all over that is almost impossible to enjoy playing ...

Story mode is borderline ok if we ignore few major boss issues ... but real horror begin at higher expedition lvl's ...
In early stage everything you click in skill tree works and whatever you use is ok to some point .... but once you hit over 100lvl expeditions , right skill combos , balance , builds , details come to play, and then everyone encounter enormous amount of bugs and issues

that is all I'm saying ... game should be 8 , but at the moment is 6 and still not going in right direction .... sadly

I really hope 1.08 come soon and resolve many things ... otherwise , D3 and POE seasons are around the corner , this will be very lonely place to play

dean.bertoncelj Original Comment

I wasn't trying to put down your personal review of the game. That's all fine.. just giving my own take. I am enjoying it. As far as where I am in the game, I'm definitely not as far as you. I'm at level 60-ish of the expeditions, so it looks like I have some real "fun" to look forward to.

I do think there's some major bugs though, just nothing that has been too major for me, personally, yet. That is more a combo of luck and where I am in the game probably, than a statement of how stable the game is (isn't). It's clear there are a lot of bugs to fix.

@Loggi: I don't tell you what you pay for, don't tell me what to pay for. I see the potential in the game, and if I want to pay for that, foolish or not, that's my prerogative. The "potential" I speak of isn't relative to my own imagination, but what the game could be like once the major bugs are fixed (which I believe they eventually will be).

Right now in my playtime, I've encountered several bugs, but there's a lot that works pretty good for me, as well.. enough to get enjoyment out of the game. That may change if I start seeing more major bugs, but right now, I'm speaking for my own experience. I can ignore whatever issues I feel like, as well. If I'm enjoying playing, I'm going to say so.

I'm also not going to tell anyone that their inability to enjoy the game is wrong either. I'm sure you and others have encountered a lot of frustrating problems while playing. Speak for yourself, not for others.

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Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

The game is still relatively fun at level 60. At 70 it starts to feel like a chore.

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

I understand the difference in opinions from ppl that are on different stage of the game .... after they release 1.07 my build that was at 160lvl expedition was completely broken ( and it was not BE , it was MAG build ) . After 1.07 I couldn't deal with lvl 135 any more , that much they nerfed already week mag build ...

I was annoyed with that and constant disconnections , so I started new character ... And amazingly no disconnections , much less bugs , things were way more smoothly until that one also hit exp lvl 130+ ... So I understand ppl that play story or just entered endgame . From they perspective things are not that bad . At that point you still have dam whatever you play and whatever skills you using . It is more fun ...
But that will change if you want to go higher . game is so unbalanced that currently only one thing works at high lvls and every build that is able to go 160+ have exactly the same nodes .. nothing else works , there is no balance or any kind of diversity in builds .
What I'm afraid of is that they will now nerf that only thing that works instead of power up 50 things that not work at all at the moment

Things like double or triple knockback , bosses that have 3 sources of regeneration and they are impossible to kill , elites outside the map , soul demon that can teleport you inside the stone or outside the map are everywhere .... If you encounter one of those things every single mission it is too much .... thats not happening so often early on ...

I must agree with Loggi - that this game should not be published as finished at this point .

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

The game is still relatively fun at level 60. At 70 it starts to feel like a chore.

dukefx Original Comment

100% agree

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

@dean.bertoncelj thanks for the civil discussion and explanation on all of that, and that is pretty understandable. It is pretty disappointing to hear what I've got to "look forward to" at later levels. I might slow my pace a bit, or start a new character :)

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Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

@dean.bertoncelj thanks for the civil discussion and explanation on all of that, and that is pretty understandable. It is pretty disappointing to hear what I've got to "look forward to" at later levels. I might slow my pace a bit, or start a new character :)

CBMurdoc Original Comment

well

lets hope for good 1.08 patch ... maybe things will be better soon ...

I like this game in general and I really hope that will be improvement ... Im not a hater , just a frustrated a little ....

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

i felt forced to write a bad review about the game. I cannot recommend anyone spending money on this game.

Sure the campaign was fun and was nice. But honestly you dont buy an ARPG for its campaign. you buy it for the endgame which should last 1000+ hours and its current state i am at 90hours and then. Lvl75 and pregress from here on is incredible slow. Boss you can kill even thou you cleared the entire lvl, loot which is crazy bad, and i can keep going.

Looking forward to play D3 season 20 soon

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

@CBMurdoc:
My post was not about telling you to do anything. I was just pointing out that people nowadays usually prefer to look at the potential of something rather than what it actually is.
You can do with ur money whatever you want i neither mind nor care about it.
But i spend my money on this game as well, and i put hope into the game as a few friends told me that the game is going to be great (until now they never failed me tho). They were disappointed as well and i think its sad to see that a game, easily being able to crush Diablo AND PoE, fails because of an unfinished release.

@Others/all:
As far as it seems now, the game needs a couple of months to get the bugs fixed and afterwards it will stay as a "normal game".
The hype around wolcen was big, the devs could´ve made so much money out of this game by releasing it BUGFREE and WORKING, with some sort of cosmetic Microtrans-shop (looking over to poe) but they destroyed it completely. You can´t simply recover from such a release, except they bring out "wolcen 2.0" or something which gets the attention back to them. Which as it seems now, won´t happen until at least a couple of years passed.

The game had ~130k players after the release issues and they drop a couple of THOUSANDS each day. Currently beeing at ~24k. They lost 81% of they playerbase in 2 weeks, due to the game simply not beeing finished, this is not "something that can happen", thats something that was supposed to happen and was fucking obvious it would happen. You cant simply release an pre alpha state game and call it finished.

New PoE Season starting friday 13th, a new diablo season got announced aswell as i heard, check the playerbase amount after those, it will probably fall off rapidly, maybe even reach 0 at some points.

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Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

@CBMurdoc:
My post was not about telling you to do anything. I was just pointing out that people nowadays usually prefer to look at the potential of something rather than what it actually is.
You can do with ur money whatever you want i neither mind nor care about it.
But i spend my money on this game as well, and i put hope into the game as a few friends told me that the game is going to be great (until now they never failed me tho). They were disappointed as well and i think its sad to see that a game, easily being able to crush Diablo AND PoE, fails because of an unfinished release.

@Others/all:
As far as it seems now, the game needs a couple of months to get the bugs fixed and afterwards it will stay as a "normal game".
The hype around wolcen was big, the devs could´ve made so much money out of this game by releasing it BUGFREE and WORKING, with some sort of cosmetic Microtrans-shop (looking over to poe) but they destroyed it completely. You can´t simply recover from such a release, except they bring out "wolcen 2.0" or something which gets the attention back to them. Which as it seems now, won´t happen until at least a couple of years passed.

The game had ~130k players after the release issues and they drop a couple of THOUSANDS each day. Currently beeing at ~24k. They lost 81% of they playerbase in 2 weeks, due to the game simply not beeing finished, this is not "something that can happen", thats something that was supposed to happen and was fucking obvious it wou…

Loggi Original Comment

MTX's in a loot based game sux, you can say its just cosmetic, but wearing a skin you paid for doesnt quite give u as good a feeling as when you have actually unlocked it urself in the game.

Paying for stuff that way basiaclly robs you of your own player experience.

Baffles me that ppl would want that with wolcen, even though its a paid release.

now if it was free to play that would change the matter.

Wolcen would do great to make it a free to play game and give us our money back

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

@Loggi : That's fair, and I appreciate your level headed response, so thank you for that. For what it's worth, Diablo 3's initial release was also quite rocky and bug filled. So let's hope that the devs do put a lot of effort into fixing the game breaking bugs, and balancing the game properly. IMO, they can turn this game into a game as good as Diablo 3, and even better if they put the effort in.

They definitely released it too early. I kind of hate that about a lot of games nowadays.. there's a rush to get games out as soon as possible. Some publishers/devs follow more of a "when it's ready" model then giving specific timelines, and I've always been personally fine with that. I know many people (such as the OP) have been playing this game for a lot longer than I have, obviously in a pre-release state... and the major bugs obviously existed in the pre-release. So while I do feel that this will turn out to be a pretty great game in due time, I even wonder how it was released in the current state. Well, we know how that typically happens, but it would be preferable if they wouldn't cave to pressure and just wait until the game is stable enough to be released.

Looks like I'm getting close to the point where the game will go to crap for me.. one more set of Vet expeditions for me, then I'm on to what people are really complaining about.

(Edited 4 years, 1 month ago)

Created: 4 years, 1 month ago

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