Agreed and i stopped going to the steam discussions because its a mess. You can see that the majority of those people are either trolls or blizzard kids. Most of them are lying or screwing around to overshadow their own incompetence. There are problems with the game but nothing to severe.

And to those which are crying about refunds... This is not 1980... everyone who plays on steam has obviously access to the internet and can check games out and do a bit of research before they buy something but no everyone has to be there from day one otherwise they would miss something or be left behind by the mass... Those who buy in to early-access are eventually screwed but thats the risk and its your own decision.

And yeah i bought Gothic 3 too... still managed to play through xD but after risen 2 piranha bytes died for me...

I'm having TONS of fun with this game, i'm playing offline (the game seems to be a victim of its success right now in terms of server capacity...) and it is, tmo, the best offline ARPG right now, and considering that it started as a kickstarter project and is the fruit of a small indie team, it absolutely deserves to be supported and even acclaimed!

The problem is with people looking at it the wrong way, as if it was one of their AAA company game and as if they had the right to expect a perfect product from the get-go and rant about it if disappointed on launch!

Worse, most "players" don't even consider any of this and are just young gamers with a spoiled mentality who tend to destroy anything that does not meet their out of this world expectations! People who didn't notice that games like GTA 5 had a development budget above 100 million dollars and who think that everything should somehow magically compete with it and that it should be the minimum standard for any game that came after it and that they are entitled to getting the same quality for anything they give money for!

This is not blizzard, this is not rockstar games, this is an incredible and unexpected gem that can only get better with some time and funding!

Support the initiative and praise it for the amazing surprise that it already is!

I'm fed up with people defending a trash game.

"Stop whining"

You're literally whining about other people whining.

Let me know when you get to endgame, because it isn't there.

By "endgame", do you mean "stuff you do after beating the story mode"?
Because i'm quite sure that there is such a thing and that i'm currently playing it...

Also, what is your issue exactly? If i understand correctly, you can't get enough of this "trash game"? It's so good that it should get more content and therefor is bad? Seems quite logical...

What is the point to endgame?

Grind shit stats, on the same tier? Damn, killer endgame!

What is your issue white knight? Shouldn't you be playing? If the game is that good, go play it.

Excuse the late reply, i was playing. :D

i agree, feel still they have some progress can can anyway if even dev is small can take out both poe 2 and d4, game have so much potential, and to much 12 years old whiiners who ask for refund, so far i like that dev have donr fix many bugs fast, look for example blizzard huge company sometimes takes longer for them...
even d3 was a mess first weeks, feel ppl never tried aprg hackn slash games before..
I see self potential on game i love it, my friends aswell, maybe more like poe players and wow players who whine to much, dont even got their first beard yet haha

even d3 was a mess first weeks, <--- D3 was a mess for the first 3 years xD

12.5 million copies sold, with nearly 15M unique players, yeah there are going to be a few issues.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

Opinion vs facts.

Wolcen is a fucking mess, that isn't an opinion.

but this is no hack and slash dude.

1st there are barely monsters around to hack and slash, the pace of game is super slow. Loot is garbage, no gold drops, not decent loot from rift bosses.

tons of bugs

rage generation not working, i play only melee ever so yeah, cant do much without rage.

Progress is terrible slow, cos u know loot is garbage and so on.

Wanted to like it, played 86hours even, but cant anymore not after thursday where the game got so much worse in so many ways with even more bugs.

So yeah stop arslicking man and be real, the game is a wreck.

Why are you here then? Just leave this lovely mess to the fools who love and support it!

Go play better games! For the time being, although flawed, this is the best offline ARPG experience around tmo.

I am sorry, since when did we all get the game for free?

Wolcen can give us our money back and go fuck off for all I care,

Then leave, why you here posting stuff still when you do not have fun in no-endgame?

Opinions. As much as your fanboy opinion is worth so is the opposite.

he paid for a game that very clearly didn't deliver as promised. You'd probably know about it if you'd followed the game since alpha.

The game is promising but they really fucked up on their time management and probably money management. This is still a beta.... And people who paid full retail price for that got scammed.

When you've got almost 50% of people on steam --+15k-- not recommending the game as of now (me including),it means something.

I'm glad you're having a good time, but you are forgetting that people complaining is also a sign that some care. Hell I'm pretty fucking pissed at the game as of now, and I hope everyday that they are going to improve and add actual content. But fanboyz defending games like that is the 1st reason the gaming industry gets away with games not fully developped...

When Wolcen will do something right a vast majority of the community will praise them for it -me included-. As of now they fucked up, they are trying to fix what was already broken before release and therefore fully deserve the backlash.

If you need a list of things that were supposed to be ingame beyond bugs and server stability, do some research and see how fucking disappointing this is.

When you've got almost 50% of people on steam --+15k-- not recommending the game as of now (me including),it means something.

-> Yes, it means that there's an epidemic of raging teens!

And people who paid full retail price for that got scammed.

-> Is this 1982? Did they see a shiny ad on TV, blindly bought a game then realised it was shit? (which it's not) No... Anyone could get some info first on the net and make an informed decision! So many games come out bugged as hell and incomplete, some are so awful that you would start playing them just for a laugh! Some were even quite successful despite being wayyy too rushed! (oblivion?) SO, the fact is: People who bought this game for the retail price MIGHT not have made a wise decision but were not "scammed", if you wanna buy crap, (which... once again, this isn't) you are free to do so! If you buy a lada, do you then go on forums to complain that it's not as good as a bmw?? (and yes, even lada says in their ads that it's a good car, they don't advertise their "new piece of shit"!)

Say what you want, but it's already a very fun ARPG and even the fact of being here bitching about it proves it, you like it or would not be here, you lot are all just impatient and raging because you don't get everything that you want right the fuck now, like spoiled little kids! Either that or you genuinely got tricked into buying it thinking it was perfect, which just shows you're not the sharpest tool in the box and therefor should not be criticizing people who developed this piece of software from the ground up following a kickstarter project!

raging teens? bitching? People who paid full retail price MIGHT not have made a wise decision? Does it include the game MIGHT not have made a wise decision to release a game not finished at a higher price?

I wish other than actually "bitchin" yourself, you would bring some arguments on the table, I mean that anger buddy...

To answer your question when you buy a game that's "crap" (not exactly this one, but on it's way) and you can't get refunded, well yes, as a customer who paid, you are entitled to give your opinion good and bad. You just have a bias toward people who don't think the same way you do. Get some Jesus friend :)

Let us try it again though. So far, I see nothing but a person with shallow excuses and angry rants, nothing better than that.

Yes there are plenty of games coming out bugged and not finished AND --- that's not ok--- AND the more of them comes out this way, the more people are going to get pissed that they are not sold what was ---- advertised----- You understand that this process is called --- fraud--- right? .You are just another fanboy defending this process, Justifying that it's ok to release beta-type games just because there were previous shittier release. Do you even know how different and promising the game was in Alpha????

Tell me beta-man with 1982 shiny ad on tv.

What was supposed to be released with the game? Give me a clear list please. Let's see some actual arguments of what was promised from the start to what was taken out to what was actually released. I'm sure you can make a list :)

i made a big mistake with this game. from now no matter how huch i am looking forward to a certain game ill wait at least 2 months before purchasing it.

Its just goddamn awfull how they paid influencers to promote the game on release, money that could have better spent fixing the game instead.

Just sux there arent many ARPG's been released, so i was longing for something new.

Yet, weeks later, you're still here, posting daily!
I've never seen someone that excited about a game he doesn't like!
:D

Still waiting on that list kiddo

What list? You want ME to write down a list of things the developers wanted to provide and had to dismiss?

You do that! You fantasize about what could be or should have been in the unicorn universe! But that is not what people paid for with the retail price, they paid for the retail product, which... is nice!

Personally, i'm perfectly fine with what IS, my favorite offline ARPG for the time being. (and soon online if they provide servers that can keep up but i don't care for this one tbh, i'd solo anyway)

Also, this isn't the apocalypse yet, there are only 3 acts and many more to come and probably also many functionalities to be added later on. They had a vision, delivered what they could but in this world, ruled by money, they had to release something, and i find that something very promising and fun to play!